Headlight burned out?

AZ Tee Jay

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C600 Sport, less than 1K miles: I start my scooter and the indicator on the dash says that my headlight is out. I confirm this visually and sure enough - no headlight. I contact my awesome dealer and they say that they will add a headlight bulb change to my initial service.
The next time I start my scooter, no indication as before and the headlight works just fine. I've ridden it a couple times since and still no repeat.

Gremlins?
 

davidh

Member
Definitely weird; I had mine go out around 7,500 miles. Kind of a pain to replace but fortunately my arms are long enough and my hands small enough to do it without taking half the bike apart.
 

Edumakated

New member
C600 Sport, less than 1K miles: I start my scooter and the indicator on the dash says that my headlight is out. I confirm this visually and sure enough - no headlight. I contact my awesome dealer and they say that they will add a headlight bulb change to my initial service.
The next time I start my scooter, no indication as before and the headlight works just fine. I've ridden it a couple times since and still no repeat.

Gremlins?

Could be a short. I've had that happen on my Vespa. Light out, then hit a pothole and light back on. Found out the socket had melted a bit and caused a short and light would come on and off with vibrations. I've also seen the same on car headlights. It will probably go out permanently soon.
 

AZ Tee Jay

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Got it figured out. About 50% of the time when I start my Sport, the low beam doesn't work. But if I cycle the ignition and try it again, all is well.

And I always thought that leaving the headlights ON was hard on the battery - ha!
 

AZ Tee Jay

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My dealer sent a request to corporate and has received a troubleshooting guide to assist in resolving this issue. I will see if I can obtain that data so that we might all share in their wisdom.
I'm beginning to wonder if maybe the head of BMW engineering shouldn't take a trip to Japan!
 

AZ Tee Jay

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UPDATE
I have only had the low beam headlight fail to come on once in the past 100+ starts and again, cycle the ignition and it works fine.
I told my dealer that, having been an electronics technician all my life, I understand how difficult it is to troubleshoot something that is intermittent. "We" will keep an eye on the problem - and at least it is documented.
 

SteveADV

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I realize the current configuration is standard fare with many bikes, but, personally I would prefer two on low beam with high beams from both. TJ, since you are in the middle of this headlight thing and know a thing or two about the electronics, have you thought about two low/two high and if so how involved do you think?
 

davidh

Member
Just had my second low-beam headlamp go out at 12k miles (first replaced at 7,500 miles). I've replaced the lamp on my BV250 one time in 31k miles! Am I cursed?!?
 

justscootin

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Sylvania Silverstar Ultra

If you look at the back of the package it says the life expectancy is shorter (by the chart). They also Warrant them for 1 year (I would assume if you have the receipt for proof of purchase date).
 
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davidh

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If you look at the back of the package it says the life expectancy is shorter (by the chart). They also Warrant them for 1 year (I would assume if you have the receipt for proof of purchase date).

Thanks! I knew they were shorter-lived, I just didn't think it would go at 4k miles. I didn't know about the warranty, however. I don't have my receipt but will check with the store. I'll definitely keep this receipt. Both lamps blew on startup; wonder if there's a glitch in the electrical system? I heard PIAA might be a better choice but who knows.
 

Skutorr

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Well, now you got me wondering how long MY Silverstar Ultras will last! After the bike, I just put them in my CAR! Oh, well, the extra light IS worth it...
 

Doraemon

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Just had my second low-beam headlamp go out at 12k miles (first replaced at 7,500 miles). I've replaced the lamp on my BV250 one time in 31k miles! Am I cursed?!?

As the scooter is using a PLC system, not unlike large cars and some equipment I work on; the voltage may have a Pulse to it. LED drivers use this technology to maintain maximum
brightness with minimal current, but I digress. Anyway, the thought is that the pulsing of the voltage to the light should maintain a brighter light, at the loss of longevity. I had this problem with a honda jazz (fit in US), it threw errors and wouldn't operate HD lights.

It may be the same issue; better excuse than being cursed on lights for the bike, he he
 

JaimeC

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I just replaced the low beam on my C650GT. They sure do make it look easy in the Owner's Manual, don't they? Just remove the side panel, take off the rubber boot, unplug the cable, squeeze in the clips and out comes the bulb. Easy/peasy, right? Hell, I can do that in the parking lot of the auto parts store during lunch!!

What they DON'T tell you is that unless your name is Ralph Dibney, Patrick "Eel" O'Brien or Reed Richards, you're going to spend a lot of frustrating, patience-stretching time doing this. The side panel comes off easy enough BUT... unless you're one of the aforementioned gentlemen, you better have a forearm six inches longer than normal and a hand half the size of a person your age.

Getting the rubber boot off is easy. It's the only part you can actually SEE through that tiny little opening revealed by taking off the side panel. You can't actually work through that opening either (unless your name is...), you're going to have to come up from underneath the fairing while LOOKING through that opening.

Except, you can't see the plug you're supposed to remove, and you can't see the clip you're supposed to unfasten... you're going to have to do that by "feel" alone. Actually, getting the old bulb out is the EASY part. Putting the new one back IN is where the fun begins.

As most of you are aware by now, you do NOT want to touch the glass of a halogen bulb. The oil residue from your fingers will create a "hot spot" when the filament is burning and could result in the glass shattering in use. You'll have to insert the bulb with the "tang" upwards so it seats properly in the holder. Now, while you're holding the bulb with one hand, slip your OTHER hand up that tiny... wait... what's that? There's no physical way to get another hand up that opening (unless your name is...)? But if you release the bulb, it'll just fall out and likely shatter on the pavement.

So now you need to practice your dexterity. Holding the bulb in place with a couple of fingers, try to use the OTHER fingers of the same hand to reach the clip you moved out of the way, lower it into position, and snap the edges back into their retainers (all by FEEL, because not even the aforementioned gentlemen will be able to see it either. Only Clark Kent might be able, but he'd also likely tear the whole front end of the scooter apart in frustration too).

IF you think you have it clipped in, slowly withdraw your hand and make sure the bulb doesn't move. Grab the bulb by the electrodes and give it a little tug just to be absolutely sure. If it stays in place, replace the electrical plug next (again, by feel, since you can't see what you're doing). Once you have that firmly in place you'll need to slip the rubber boot back up there and work around the edges with your fingers until it completely seals off the housing.

Whew! You're FINALLY done. Just put the side panel back on.

I never did replace a bulb in the TMAX. I can't imagine it being any easier though (just based on where those sadistic engineering bastards decided to place the battery).
 

Skutorr

Active member
The bulbs on my Tmax WOULD have been pretty easy to get to from underneath, without removing anything, but they ran a MAJOR wiring loom directly BEHIND the one bulb...impossible to remove.

So, two hours later after pulling off the mirrors, windscreen, etc. and repositioning the wiring loom, it's now a 5 minute job. Of course, now the new bulbs will NEVER burn out...

Also changed them from underneath on my brothers Tmax 530. Timed it. First one took 2 minutes, the second one was less than 30 seconds.
They even improved THAT...
 

AZ Tee Jay

New member
Update:
Low beam headlight issue returns with a vengeance. Nearly every time I start my C600 in the garage and back it out, the head light goes out. I mentioned this to my dealer and several days later, they could not duplicate the problem. I got on it and immediately duplicated it in front of them. Why?l Because I "turned" the handlebars. So they took her apart again and found a short that existed around the stearing head. Some solder and heat shrink tubing was the fix. They also managed to adjust the routing of the harness to elevate the possibility for another chaffing problem.
 

Doraemon

New member
Update:
Low beam headlight issue returns with a vengeance. Nearly every time I start my C600 in the garage and back it out, the head light goes out. I mentioned this to my dealer and several days later, they could not duplicate the problem. I got on it and immediately duplicated it in front of them. Why?l Because I "turned" the handlebars. So they took her apart again and found a short that existed around the stearing head. Some solder and heat shrink tubing was the fix. They also managed to adjust the routing of the harness to elevate the possibility for another chaffing problem.
Did you see the spot first hand? A pic might help. I just had my low beam go out at 7k, if the frequency increases then I might want to look into this...
 
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