Scooter of the Year: WTF???

Xian Forbes

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How is that even considered a scooter. I don't see that it checks any of the boxes. Looks like a cruiser to me... Our an attempt at an Akira bike from the Japanese cartoon.
 

Skutorr

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And they voted just before the new Tmax 530 hit our shores. Maybe next year they will get their heads out of their butts and actually vote for a scooter...:cool:
 
Scooters by design are practical machines - NM4 while way out there in design has two side cases which are only 7 litres each in size. I don't think there is a top box that's even as small as these two combined. Nowhere for your lid and typical things we put under the seat. And then at about $15,000 Candian on the road there are so many better options out there.
 

Snowdog

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ok, the infamous scooter debate arrives again. There is no scooter law!! If you think it's a scooter, it's a scooter, if you think it's a bike it's a bike. Spouting scooter laws is like quoting "natural laws", there's no such thing.
 

SteveADV

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I wonder how many of the "readers" actually had a vote. (Sorry to sound so cynical.)

IMO, the NM4 is an interesting machine. I am not a fan of it's appearance, but that is so subjective that it is meaningless. How many times have we said here, "If you like it ride it."

The Burgman, BMW, TMax, and perhaps a few others all fall into that super "maxi scooter" category. Jazz it up via various add-ons and they might be me even bigger and better, depending on what you think that really means. The battle for the "best" super scoot will not be decided by a magazine, but rather by how you feel going to down the road.
 

Xian Forbes

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ok, the infamous scooter debate arrives again. There is no scooter law!! If you think it's a scooter, it's a scooter, if you think it's a bike it's a bike. Spouting scooter laws is like quoting "natural laws", there's no such thing.
I think it's generally accepted that a step through design is one quality shared by all scooters regardless of trans type, wheel size, storage capacity, final drive, ect. Even our class leading C series bikes have made an attempt to keep the step through design language intact.

Imo this honda is a motorsikkle with an automatic dual clutch trans. On account of the relaxed seating position, and the near impossibility of standing up on the pegs to avoid a spine jarring obstacle, I'll call it a cruiser.
 

SteveADV

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..... On account of the relaxed seating position, and the near impossibility of standing up on the pegs to avoid a spine jarring obstacle, I'll call it a cruiser.
Yuh know, that is exactly what it is! An auto transmission cruiser. Never thought of it like that, but it sure looks like a cruiser a lot more than a scooter.

FWIW, Motorcycle.com has it rated as a Tourer. The small 3 gal gas tank would limit that capability vs other touring bikes (including the BMW C series).
2015 Touring Motorcycle Reviews, Prices and Specs
 
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Xian Forbes

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3 gals? Lord that's horrible capacity. Even at 4 gals I need to fill up my Beemer after every round trip from home to work. I now fully understand why my buddy bought the GS Adventure simply because of the giant fuel tank.
 

Snowdog

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I think it's generally accepted that a step through design is one quality shared by all scooters regardless of trans type, wheel size, storage capacity, final drive, ect. Even our class leading C series bikes have made an attempt to keep the step through design language intact.

Imo this honda is a motorsikkle with an automatic dual clutch trans. On account of the relaxed seating position, and the near impossibility of standing up on the pegs to avoid a spine jarring obstacle, I'll call it a cruiser.
Sorry, there is no law.
 

Snowdog

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?

If that thing is a scooter, then so was the Honda DN-01 and the Aprilia Mana.
Sure why not?

I grew up thinking a "scooter" was something you put one foot on and pushed with the other. I always wanted one but, never got it. The first time I remember hearing something motorized called a "scooter" was on television, and it was what the current label makers would call a motorcycle. So is putting labels on two wheel transportation important? I think not. So call them what you wish, but, there is no "scooter laws" just personal perception.
 

Snowdog

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A sedan is not a coupe and a motorcycle is not a scooter

The*United States Department of Transportation*defines a scooter as a motorcycle that has a platform for the operator's feet or has integrated footrests, and has a step-through architecture.[2]

Scooter (motorcycle) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
LOL,I had a Harley with platforms for my feet, and some Harleys have seats so low they qualify as step through. ( note, seats as low as the "step through notch on a Sport") So, yes, "scooter" is accurate for what most people would call a motorcycle!!

And, Everyone knows Wikipedia definitions are written by just anyone, no experience necessary.
 
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Xian Forbes

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Guess you never noticed that petrol tank and tractor motor betwixed your legs. Not a step through. It's hilarious that you think seat height equates to a step through. SMH
 

Snowdog

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But, the low seat acts as a step through, makes it easier to get your leg over.
I think it's funny that you can't see that.
 

Xian Forbes

New member
Oh I see it, I just don't buy it. But you see, I've been on Vespas and Lambrettas for 25 years so I know a thing or two about what makes a scooter.
I know you old Harley guys call your bikes scooters. But isn't that like calling the fat guy tiny or the short guy stretch?

But, to be honest, this thread has become silly and trolly, so I'll leave it as it were.
 
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