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There are..as many ways of doing the sliders (weights) variator and clutch (springs) as could be discussed here... But They all _tend_ to favor the 1st Gen bikes... Is the basic wisdom that the 2nd gen resolved enough performance/reliability issues in these, that "upgrading" is less...

Nah..im happy with what I did...already picked it up Friday eve.

Its all in the timing, isn't it.. ;) That's a good package there...

..and I dont -have- one available to me anywhere near where I park.

Calmoto is willing to dip to 10K or a tad less, discount on purchased acc., free first service... They have a new white 2018 I have a deposit on.

It would, but I dont have the means to charge it.

I have a local dealer (BMW Cycles San Jose) that worked hard enough to print out list+tax+800 delivery and prep and send me on my way... Calmoto has a new white 2018 that will be -$2k, and a used 2nd gen coming in, and there's a 11k mile old 2016 in socal at Del Amo motorsports for around $6k.

*nod* Pretty sure at this point I will hold out for a well optioned 2nd Gen. But thanks for the referral. :) I am in San Jose, CA

If I end up buying a new one, I want to negotiate from a solid position, not a lot of data that I can find (yet) on what actual prices are being met. What leverage is being seem to add items onto the bike post sale?

All 50, so ya, "some". :)

There is legislation that actually protects you from this. Of course, you lose the emissions warranty, but not anything else.

I dont see a specific looking-to-buy a whole bike section...so...?? Im the market late March 2019, for a well optioned 2nd Gen GT. I could buy new if I had to..but..if I can avoid it, it would be nice.

There seem to be too many other small refinements that I would like to take advantage of in a 2nd gen. Ill just have to be more patient than I usually am on things.

Good input, thanks.

Is pretty much fully optioned out 2013, 4k miles, bout $7k all in and taxes. What should I be asking about, it's at a dealer. I dont see _that_ much difference between 2013 and today, so i have no issues owning used. But are there issues I should be asking closely about? I have enjoyed the...