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C 400 GT: Speedometer Accuracy Test

wspollack

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I've done a few top-speed tests on the C 400 GT, such as this one showing the tach that I made awhile ago ...


... and I made a speedometer accuracy test on my other bike, a Royal Enfield Meteor 350, last year ...


... but I hadn't done the speedometer test on the C 400 GT until a few days ago. I just finished the video on that:


If you're interested, the details on my methodology are in the full description of that video: click the MORE link when viewing it on YouTube.

The executive summary, according to me, is that the speedometer on the C 400 GT reads 4% high with new tires (which is all quite legal, and in the typical range for motorcycles -- my two Burgman 650 scooters were both about 9% high, on the far end of the spectrum).

Oh, by the way, the odometer on the C 400 GT is almost dead nuts on, differing from reality by less than 1%. I have a fair amount of documented studies on that, if anyone was wondering about it.

That's all I got.
 
Thanks for sharing this information. I have a GPS mounted on my C400gt. I generally reads about 2 mph lower than the reading on the speedometer. I always suspected that the GPS was the real MPH.
 
Thanks for sharing this information. I have a GPS mounted on my C400gt. I generally reads about 2 mph lower than the reading on the speedometer. I always suspected that the GPS was the real MPH.
That is actually a really good delta between the two. Our bikes with DCT are incredibly accurate (completely guessing, I don't know in fact why). I think that has something to do with the programmed shift points, RPM & speed calculations, and the IMU and ECU measurements that come into play to execute on a shift.
 
Hey, thanks for the video, I have a question: what did you use to record the video? I'm interested in this "overlay", especially the tilt of the motorcycle in the lower left corner - is it recorded with GoPro?
 
Hey, thanks for the video, I have a question: what did you use to record the video? I'm interested in this "overlay", especially the tilt of the motorcycle in the lower left corner - is it recorded with GoPro?
I go into a little more description of the setup for that video (and the other videos) in the description on YouTube itself, if you click on the "Watch on YouTube" link for the videos, and then, to read the full description, click on the "...MORE" link under the first few lines.

But here's a more complete description for you:

- The recording was made with a GoPro Hero9 camera.


With the Hero5, GoPro added a GPS chip, so you could plot speed, path of travel, etc. On the Hero9, they boosted the "ping" rate of the built-in GPS chip from 10Hz to 18Hz. That's really up there, in terms of all-purpose consumer products; for instance, I believe smartphones ping at 1Hz (at least they did a couple of years back, the last time I researched them).

On the Hero11 they dropped back to 10Hz, with a GPS chip that was more adept at locking onto satellites.

(On the Hero12 they eliminated the GPS chip, ostensibly to lengthen battery life and to reduce overheating problems, but that meant you couldn't get any telemetry out of the base camera. On the just-released Hero13, they brought back the chip, but I haven't read very much about its properties.)

With the Hero8 (or maybe the Hero9), GoPro added what they call a "Gravity Vector" sensor, so you can add lean angle, pitch and yaw, that sort of thing.

I've been upgrading over the years, to get these newer features and because GoPro offers past customers some pretty good pricing deals. I have a Hero4, 7, 9, and 1l. I use the 11 for my usual all-day recordings, but I mount the 9 -- recall, 18Hz -- for my speed tests.

- All the overlays that you see were made with Telemetry Overlay:


This is a superb program, in terms of both capabilities and ease of use. Highly recommended.

Telemetry Overlay ("TO") can extract all the telemetry and sensor data directly from the GoPro (and other action camera) videos (assuming you have the GoPro's GPS enabled). You then direct it to overlay some or all of that data, per your design, as it creates a new output video, i.e., the original video plus the overlays.

In the early days (of my Hero4, for instance) I used the programs called RaceRender and TrackAddict by another vendor (in conjunction with an early iPhone, for telemetry acquisition). I switched to Telemetry Overlay when that first came out; it is MUCH better than that other pair, and also unlike those older programs is continually being updated.

- I use another program from that same vendor, Telemetry Extractor:


Telemetry Extractor ("TE") allows you to create GPX and other mapping-software inputs directly from GoPro (and other action camera) videos (again, assuming you have the GoPro's GPS enabled). It also can create CSV and similar files of assorted telemetry data within those original GoPro videos.

This allows you to plot your path of travel using only GoPro's videos, i.e., I don't have to have a phone on, or some other device -- I just keep my GoPro powered all day (using bike power). Dealing with just one device is so much easier than worrying about powering multiple devices during a ride, and then synchronizing them afterward.

I highly recommend Telemetry Extractor, too.

You can see examples of both the maps I generate with TE and the lean angles, etc., overlayed by TO in my galleries. Particularly, if you have a few minutes you may enjoy some of the c. 70 videos I have here:


Those were all made with a Hero11 stuck on a C 400 X:

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In terms of lean angles, those Alpine videos go from 43° left to 41° right. Of course, you have to mount the camera level (something I checked with my iPhone's "Level" app, when first mounting the GoPro on that bike), although TO allows you to adjust the output by X° if you didn't. It's more convenient if you just get it right in the first place, and here's a pic I took at home, of my C 400 GT:

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I think that pretty much covers your question, but let me know if it doesn't.

And, yes, neither TO nor TE is free. As it turns out, I've spent more money on software and memory cards than on actual cameras, but I'm elderly and don't have a lot of other vices.
 
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Hi, thank you very much for your answer and for taking the time to answer it. You have completely exhausted the topic, it looks great in the video and there may be even more parameters after checking the telemetry website
 
I had a GoPro 7, I left the lists on vacation in Italy. Currently I have the goPro 12 version, now I think it's the worst possible😭
Um, er, that would appear to be true, if you want to overlay telemetry on your videos. Perhaps you could sell it to someone, and then buy a Hero11 or 13.

By the way, Juan of Telemetry Overlay has a recent video, in which he compares the GPS capabilities of the Hero13 with its major competitors:

 
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