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Wireless charging mount installation on the handlebar with power.
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popdis
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Does anyone know the part number for this cable? (compatible with CE04)
wspollack
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I believe it is BMW part # 83300413585, available via Max BMW for $16.72 plus shipping:
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I'm assuming a few things in order to make that assertion:
1) The BMW engineers and bean counters saw fit to use existing parts, when they could, on the CE-04.
2) That the plug in the pic you posted has had a line cut off, i.e., it looks like it has two wires, and the shadows of two wires, emanating from the back of the plug (while the part I mention has three wires).
3) The part I referenced has a ground, 12V power, and c. 8V power. As the description at Max notes:
Function: 3-pin for LED of anti-theft alarm, optional-accessories plug (device end). Can-bus plug that allows you to splice to a GPS power cord and connect to switched power on your Can-bus model. Middle not used, RH wire is power, LH wire is ground.
I used what is referred to around the forum -- particularly in the C 400 section -- as the GPS (or sat nav) plug, on my former '22 C 400 GT and on my current '23 C 400 GT, in both cases to power Skene Photon Booster LEDs.
In the first instance, Jan. 2023, I purchased it via eBay, on a page that's since been changed a little: https://www.ebay.com/itm/364042531174
The second round, Oct. 2023, I used a cheaper listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/325296417676
I forget whether it was in stock at Max a year or two back, but that second listing is still there, and still cheaper.
I have a pic of that first product from eBay, which includes the BMW part number on it, in my C 400 GT, in this particular image and caption:
2023 BMW C 400 GT
billanddot.com
You'll note in that caption that I was steered in that direction by a few folks in this thread: https://www.bmw-scooters.com/index.php?threads/garmin-zumo-xt.2599/
Later on in my gallery, in this image and caption, I show which wires are which:
2023 BMW C 400 GT
billanddot.com
Here's the gist, at least on the C 400 bikes: if you consider the pins as an isosceles triangle -- looking at the back of the plug, where the wires come out -- the right base is hot, the left base is ground, and the apex is what the description at Max calls "not used." I can't tell from the pic you presented whether that's the case there.
BTW, I don't know whether that's your pic or one you lifted from somewhere, but I, too, am a big fan of Wago clamp connectors. You can see that I used them when connecting that plug, too (see https://billanddot.com/C400GT/#S-92 ).
Oh, one last thing: on the C 400 GT, that plug is powered for 60 seconds after the engine is turned off. That might or might not be the case on the CE-04, too, and you might or might not care ... but I thought I'd point it out for completeness.
Good luck on your project.
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Thank you @wspollack, this is really helpful and them some. I appreciate all your help .I believe it is BMW part # 83300413585, available via Max BMW for $16.72 plus shipping:
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I'm assuming a few things in order to make that assertion:
1) The BMW engineers and bean counters saw fit to use existing parts, when they could, on the CE-04.
2) That the plug in the pic you posted has had a line cut off, i.e., it looks like it has two wires, and the shadows of two wires, emanating from the back of the plug (while the part I mention has three wires).
3) The part I referenced has a ground, 12V power, and c. 8V power. As the description at Max notes:
Function: 3-pin for LED of anti-theft alarm, optional-accessories plug (device end). Can-bus plug that allows you to splice to a GPS power cord and connect to switched power on your Can-bus model. Middle not used, RH wire is power, LH wire is ground.
I used what is referred to around the forum -- particularly in the C 400 section -- as the GPS (or sat nav) plug, on my former '22 C 400 GT and on my current '23 C 400 GT, in both cases to power Skene Photon Booster LEDs.
In the first instance, Jan. 2023, I purchased it via eBay, on a page that's since been changed a little: https://www.ebay.com/itm/364042531174
The second round, Oct. 2024, I used a cheaper listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/325296417676
I forget whether it was in stock at Max a year or two back, but that second listing is still there, and still cheaper.
I have a pic of that first product from eBay, which includes the BMW part number on it, in my C 400 GT, in this particular image and caption:
2023 BMW C 400 GT
billanddot.com
You'll note in that caption that I was steered in that direction by a few folks in this thread: https://www.bmw-scooters.com/index.php?threads/garmin-zumo-xt.2599/
Later on in my gallery, in this image and caption, I show which wires are which:
2023 BMW C 400 GT
billanddot.com
Here's the gist, at least on the C 400 bikes: if you consider the pins as an isosceles triangle -- looking at the back of the plug, where the wires come out -- the right base is hot, the left base is ground, and the apex is what the description at Max calls "not used." I can't tell from the pic you presented whether that's the case there.
BTW, I don't know whether that's your pic or one you lifted from somewhere, but I, too, am a big fan of Wago clamp connectors. You can see that I used them when connecting that plug, too (see https://billanddot.com/C400GT/#S-92 ).
Oh, one last thing: on the C 400 GT, that plug is powered for 60 seconds after the engine is turned off. That might or might not be the case on the CE-04, too, and you might or might not care ... but I thought I'd point it out for completeness.
Good luck on your project.
TVsFrank
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Connect the Hardwire kit: Red wire (ACC) . yellow wire(B+). black wire (GND), to the corresponding terminals of the motorcycle.I believe it is BMW part # 83300413585, available via Max BMW for $16.72 plus shipping:
BMW Motorcycle Parts | Search for parts
MAX BMW Motorcycles offers an extensive BMW Motorcycle Parts fiche. OEM BMW Motorcycle Parts and Accessores can be ordered online for fast delivery. View our detailed BMW Motorcycle Parts diagrams and locate the part that you need efficiently.shop.maxbmw.com
I'm assuming a few things in order to make that assertion:
1) The BMW engineers and bean counters saw fit to use existing parts, when they could, on the CE-04.
2) That the plug in the pic you posted has had a line cut off, i.e., it looks like it has two wires, and the shadows of two wires, emanating from the back of the plug (while the part I mention has three wires).
3) The part I referenced has a ground, 12V power, and c. 8V power. As the description at Max notes:
Function: 3-pin for LED of anti-theft alarm, optional-accessories plug (device end). Can-bus plug that allows you to splice to a GPS power cord and connect to switched power on your Can-bus model. Middle not used, RH wire is power, LH wire is ground.
I used what is referred to around the forum -- particularly in the C 400 section -- as the GPS (or sat nav) plug, on my former '22 C 400 GT and on my current '23 C 400 GT, in both cases to power Skene Photon Booster LEDs.
In the first instance, Jan. 2023, I purchased it via eBay, on a page that's since been changed a little: https://www.ebay.com/itm/364042531174
The second round, Oct. 2023, I used a cheaper listing: https://www.ebay.com/itm/325296417676
I forget whether it was in stock at Max a year or two back, but that second listing is still there, and still cheaper.
I have a pic of that first product from eBay, which includes the BMW part number on it, in my C 400 GT, in this particular image and caption:
2023 BMW C 400 GT
billanddot.com
You'll note in that caption that I was steered in that direction by a few folks in this thread: https://www.bmw-scooters.com/index.php?threads/garmin-zumo-xt.2599/
Later on in my gallery, in this image and caption, I show which wires are which:
2023 BMW C 400 GT
billanddot.com
Here's the gist, at least on the C 400 bikes: if you consider the pins as an isosceles triangle -- looking at the back of the plug, where the wires come out -- the right base is hot, the left base is ground, and the apex is what the description at Max calls "not used." I can't tell from the pic you presented whether that's the case there.
BTW, I don't know whether that's your pic or one you lifted from somewhere, but I, too, am a big fan of Wago clamp connectors. You can see that I used them when connecting that plug, too (see https://billanddot.com/C400GT/#S-92 ).
Oh, one last thing: on the C 400 GT, that plug is powered for 60 seconds after the engine is turned off. That might or might not be the case on the CE-04, too, and you might or might not care ... but I thought I'd point it out for completeness.
Good luck on your project.
@wspollack Thank you for the detailed guidance. I am hoping to power a Lamtto RC15 CarPlay system via the GPS plug.
Does the eBay plug that you mentioned provide ACC, B+, and GND?
For BMW Motorrad Motorcycle Repair Connector 3 Pole 611656 8330 0413585 | eBay
Use leads 1 (earth) and 3 (power) and ignore lead 2 (speed pulse not required for non BMW systems) - leads are numbered. 1 Connector Wire. Item do not fit your motorcycle perfect. For repairing main wiring harness.
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The Lamtto kit suggest to “Connect the Hardwire kit: Red wire (ACC) . yellow wire(B+). black wire (GND), to the corresponding terminals of the motorcycle.”
I’m a little confused where some of the wiring harnesses above are only using 2 wires, but this head unit wants three wires.
A pic of the wiring diagram from the GPS manual is attached and indicates that it requires 3 wires.
The wiring harness page on eBay states this...
"Simply attach to wires on power lead supplied with GPS and plug in! Use leads 1 (earth) and 3 (power) and ignore lead 2 (speed pulse not required for non BMW systems) - leads are numbered."
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wspollack
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Here's what I THINK is going on here.@wspollack Thank you for the detailed guidance. I am hoping to power a Lamtto RC15 CarPlay system via the GPS plug.
Does the eBay plug that you mentioned provide ACC, B+, and GND?
For BMW Motorrad Motorcycle Repair Connector 3 Pole 611656 8330 0413585 | eBay
Use leads 1 (earth) and 3 (power) and ignore lead 2 (speed pulse not required for non BMW systems) - leads are numbered. 1 Connector Wire. Item do not fit your motorcycle perfect. For repairing main wiring harness.www.ebay.com
The Lamtto kit suggest to “Connect the Hardwire kit: Red wire (ACC) . yellow wire(B+). black wire (GND), to the corresponding terminals of the motorcycle.”
I’m a little confused where some of the wiring harnesses above are only using 2 wires, but this head unit wants three wires.
Here’s a pic from the manual. Any guidance would appreciated. Thanks again.
1) Of course, you need power to the device. To get the actual power, they are suggesting that you hook up the two leads to the battery itself. That is, one lead -- the Bat+ -- will go to the battery's positive terminal, and the other lead -- the GND -- will go to the battery's negative/ground terminal.
2) That ACC (accessory) lead will connect to some switched power source, i.e., tapped into some lead -- such as a taillight wire -- that is hot only when the bike is running (or at least the ignition is switched to the "On" position). That way, the device will not be powered all the time. Put another way, I believe that there is some internal circuitry in the device that says, "Hey, if there's no power coming into the ACC lead, kill the circuit that's connected directly to the battery."
As I say, I THINK that is what is going on.
Now, in the case of the stock sat-nav plug, this trickery isn't really necessary, because that sat-nav plug receives power -- is active -- only when the bike is switched on (and gets automatically turned off 60 seconds after the bike is shut off).
So, if you wind up using the sat-nav plug, here's what I believe will work for you:
3) Hook up BOTH the B+ AND the ACC wires to the sat-nav plug's hot side. See my pic and caption https://billanddot.com/C400GT/#S-91
4) Hook up the GND wire to the sat-nav plug's ground wire.
5) That third wire from the sat-nav plug will be unused (just as I didn't use it to power my front LEDs).
I believe that will be the easiest solution. The device's ACC wire will receive power when the bike is turned on, telling the device that it's okay to complete the B+/GND circuit. The B+/GND circuit will receive power from the bike -- via the sat-nav plug -- just like my LEDs do. The fact that the ACC and B+ wires are both connected to the same wire in the sat-nav plug should be irrelevant.
Based on my understanding of your device, that's how I would make an attempt at wiring things. The fact that Wago clamp connectors are being used here should make such an experiment pretty easy to set up and then check out.
Follow me on all this?
In any case, good luck with this project.
TVsFrank
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Thank you for the detailed guidance. That was so great to read and helped me to understand much better. I appreciate you taking the time to outline this approach.
The Wago clamp connectors are new to me, but I will use those since I don’t really have anything else at the moment.
The wiring adapter is on the way along with a better mounting approach. I’ll report back with results. Thanks again!
The Wago clamp connectors are new to me, but I will use those since I don’t really have anything else at the moment.
The wiring adapter is on the way along with a better mounting approach. I’ll report back with results. Thanks again!
wspollack
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Well, only thank me if everything eventually works out okay, and I was at least sort of correct.
Incidentally, regarding the Wago clamps:
1) Just flip open an orange lever before inserting a wire, and then flip it fully back down once a wire has been inserted. If you want to "undo" your work, just flip a lever up and slide out the wire.
2) There's a black-line strip "gauge" on the side of each connector. This shows you the appropriate length of insulation to strip from each wire (such that the stripped portion of a wire is long enough to slide in properly, no insulation will be clamped along with the wire, and no bare wire will be sticking out past the open end of the Wago).
3) If you're working with stranded wire, twist the strands together with your fingers before inserting into a Wago.
4) Being transparent, the Wagos allow you to see -- to verify -- that you've inserted a bare wire fully into the clamp.
5) Use a Wago opening for one wire only, i.e., don't double-up any opening. When needing to connect a bunch of wires together, Wago sells versions of those clamps with more openings, e.g., five. For instance, this is a nice assortment to buy:
6) Wagos are superbly reliable but are not waterproof. So either have them wind up in an area protected by bodywork, or wrap the whole clamp in silicone sticks-to-itself or electrical tape if it's out in the open.
Wagos have been my favorite connectors for a few years now. I think they're better than Posi-Locks, Posi-Taps, etc.
TVsFrank
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Excellent tips, thanks. The Wagos look great, and that assortment pack is on the way.
Unfortunately, I'm still waiting on the mounting bracket to ship. https://holan.pl/en/ce-04/5061-gps-holder-for-ce-04.html
There's some fun products there.
Unfortunately, I'm still waiting on the mounting bracket to ship. https://holan.pl/en/ce-04/5061-gps-holder-for-ce-04.html
There's some fun products there.
TVsFrank
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Hey thanks for the help and guidance regarding the powering of my GPS unit from the ce04. It took forever for the mounting bracket to arrive, but once it got here, everything went together well. The wiring notes and suggestions you shared were super helpful.
My bike has CarPlay now. So great. Thanks again!
My bike has CarPlay now. So great. Thanks again!
wspollack
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Glad things worked out well for you. You able to post some pics of your final setup?
TVsFrank
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It’s definitely not the final setup, but the functionality is there. I need to find a better mount than the one that came with the gps system.
I added this bracket which took forever to come from Poland, but the diameter is smaller than the gps mount.
Some zip tie action in there and some padding to make the bracket bar thicker.
holan.pl
Other than being kinda ugly at the moment the functionality is great. The connectivity has been solid.
Those little electrical connectors were fun to use. Thanks again for all the detailed advice.
I added this bracket which took forever to come from Poland, but the diameter is smaller than the gps mount.
Some zip tie action in there and some padding to make the bracket bar thicker.
GPS holder for CE-04
Other than being kinda ugly at the moment the functionality is great. The connectivity has been solid.
Those little electrical connectors were fun to use. Thanks again for all the detailed advice.
