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C650 GT Too much as a first bike?

dwcco

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Hello, forum members. I'll get right to the point. I am going to buy a "new to me" motorbike. I am not as intrigued by a standard, manual shift, geared motorcycle as I am a scooter. I've ridden vacation resort scooters, KX125 dirt bikes, Three wheelers and quads. My question is simply this, if you were friends with a middle-aged fella that's about to take (and pass) the MSF course, get his endorsement and then purchase his first bike, would it be a C400 or a C650 GT ? Every single video I've watched makes some comment about the weight of the 650. They also comment on how well it handles and the power. The 650 is discontinued. More difficult to find in the USA. I am 5'6 inches tall. I cannot find a 650 to even sit on. When I find a 400, they're gone before I can get there. A local dealer sold 2 C400s within hours of each other. If you own, or have ridden the 650, was the bulk that bad? Too much hassle? I am not commuting to work just 20 or 30 miles. This is purely just for fun, but the kind of fun that dictates if you have to get around a truck that's spittin' rocks, then you'd best have the horsepower to do it.
 
@dwcco :

My short answer: I would pass on the 650.

Long answer:

1) I test-rode the 650 some years back -- when it was still in production -- at my local BMW dealership. I was hanging around with a friend, who was having some service done on his RT, and some salesperson suggested I give it a whirl, unsupervised, on a route of my choosing.

I found the 650 to be quite tall in the saddle, as if it were made for the giants who ride a GS and some other Beemers.

Of note: A) I'm 5'8", with a 29" inseam; B) I was quite used to 650-size scooters, because, at different times, I owned two Burgman 650s for a total of 11 years. (In addition to those, I've owned a couple of 900-lb. baggers -- a Valkyrie Interstate and a Victory Cross Country Tour, along with an R850R, and now a C 400 GT and a Royal Enfield Meteor 350.)

Unless you have very long legs, at your 5'6", and your being middle-aged and sort of new to street bikes, I think the 650 might be a little unwieldy for you. (And as a former MSF RiderCoach myself, I've seen a lot of new riders stop with the front wheel at weird angles and drop bikes, that sort of thing.)

2) I think a middle-aged BMW might be an expensive proposition.

I know a lot of folks opine that BMW service is expensive, but owning both a BMW and a dirt-cheap Royal Enfield (both 2023 models), I disagree with that. Routine service has very similar costs on both of those (and I know, because at 78 now, a few years ago I stopped doing all maintenance myself, and instead farm it out to the respective dealerships).

However, when it comes to something breaking on the bikes -- I'm primarily talking engine or drive-train issues -- the Beemer would be very expensive to repair.

Hence, I personally would be reluctant to own one without its being under warranty. (In fact, my '22 C 400 GT was replaced, in '23, with a brand new '23 scoot, as a result of an engine problem. BMW picked up the tab.)

3) The C 400 GT does everything I want of a bike: handles absolutely superbly (with a lean angle of about 41°); gets up to a GPS-verified 89 or 90mph (although BMW lists the '25 model as having a top speed of 80, vs. their listed 86 for earlier models, but it is still highway capable); doesn't vibrate to the extent that I notice it; looks sharp; and is much lighter and lower than the 650.

If the cost of a new C 400 GT is out of the question, then I might look for a late-model Burgman 400, or an XMax 300, or ditch the scooter concept and look at any number of, say, Royal Enfields (the Hunter is very light and low, and lists for about $4,200, for instance, although the 350 REs are not all-day highway capable, but the 650s certainly are).

That's my take, but I'll likely be out-voted big time by the more prevalent 650 owners on this forum. Good luck on whatever you decide.

Edit Addition: If money is not much of an object, and you really want a maxi-scooter, you might be interested in the Kymco AK550. Twin cylinder, frame-mounted, engine, just like the former Beemer and Suzuki 650s, and lighter than both of those.
 
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Respectfully disagreeing with Mr Bill here. I've ridden various types of bikes, ranging from Honda CB and Husqvarna and Husaberg supermotos, to my current BMW K1600 and C650 Sport, and Honda 300 cc scooter.
I absolutely love the C650, it is by far my favorite of all bikes so far. For me the weight is not an issue - it's all down low and compared to my K1600 it is like a featherweight.
The 60 HP makes all the difference in the world over the C400's 34 HP. Almost double! Having gotten used to the C650, which I have owned since March 2018 and ride almost daily around the Southern California hills and canyons, I would not want to go down to a 34 HP bike.

I do all my own maintenance and repairs, so as for cost of ownership, that of course makes a difference. But, there are from time to time very low-mileage C650s on the market, at reasonable prices, and a well-maintained C650 from 2016 with say 8,000 miles is not going to be a greater maintenance/repairs/financial risk than a 2024 C400 with similar mileage. The 2016 C650 is as technically advanced as today's offerings, by and large, just not the fancy TFT screens (which I don't care for anyway).
Full disclosure: I happen to be 6'2" 180 lbs with a 34 inch inseam. 66 years of age. But if seat height is a problem, I am sure you can take the stock seat to an upholstery shop to have it lowered somewhat.

Best would be to test ride both before deciding.
 
Mr. Pollack, thank you for your thoughtful reply to my question. I previously watched a video review of the 650 GT, and one line from the reviewer stuck out. He'd said, " I feel quite perched." Being able to flat-foot a bike is not the end all deal breaker for me, but any sensation that I'm only sort of in control of the bike, would be. I'd very much like to test ride a C400, but they're snatched up quickly. Have a wonderful day, and enjoy your bike. She looks primo!
PS- Your writing (especially within your website photo descriptions) gives you away. You're an educated man. Cheers from Colorado.
 
Ceesie, thank you for your reply as well. I'm 2 for 2! The color of your bike is sublime. The weight of the bike alone is not my greatest concern, rather the combination of heft combined with my 29 inch inseam. I do not want to struggle at stop lights to control the bike, or while performing slow speed maneuvers in congested parking scenarios.
 
Everyone is different and has different wants, needs and abilities.

My biggest warning about the C650 is the size and weight. Mine is larger than my 1200GS and just about as heavy.

My biggest complaint is it sounds like a tractor.

It's a ton of fun to ride, though.
 
If you're not riding "too much", why do you need "Grand Tourer" and not C650 Sport?
I am tall and I could handle both, but yeah GT is "taller" in terms of seating and feeling.
I would not get it as a first bike, C400 yes.
If you are strong, C650 Sport as it is lighter than GT and more in line with Yamaha T-Max feel.
Not advising a T-Max because it is a beemer forum ;)

C400 < T-Max < C650 < SRV850

BTW BMW issued this dual "slingshot" of Sport / GT so that : Sport bests the T-Max; GT beats the Burgman 650.
 
Hello, forum members. I'll get right to the point. I am going to buy a "new to me" motorbike. I am not as intrigued by a standard, manual shift, geared motorcycle as I am a scooter. I've ridden vacation resort scooters, KX125 dirt bikes, Three wheelers and quads. My question is simply this, if you were friends with a middle-aged fella that's about to take (and pass) the MSF course, get his endorsement and then purchase his first bike, would it be a C400 or a C650 GT ? Every single video I've watched makes some comment about the weight of the 650. They also comment on how well it handles and the power. The 650 is discontinued. More difficult to find in the USA. I am 5'6 inches tall. I cannot find a 650 to even sit on. When I find a 400, they're gone before I can get there. A local dealer sold 2 C400s within hours of each other. If you own, or have ridden the 650, was the bulk that bad? Too much hassle? I am not commuting to work just 20 or 30 miles. This is purely just for fun, but the kind of fun that dictates if you have to get around a truck that's spittin' rocks, then you'd best have the horsepower to do it.

Have to agree with some of our brethren on here. Not sure I would recommend the C650 as a first bike. C400 is a completely different story. You may have better luck looking on CL or CycleTrader rather than from a dealer. And yes, it is a little tall, however at 5'8 and a 30" inseam, I merely slid a little forward when stopping for a more secure footing. And I bet the 400 is capable of easily passing a highway truck!

And I second the opinion about the weight. As mentioned elsewhere, my current R1250RS as about twice the engine displacement is actually 40 pounds or so lighter than the C650 I traded. I found the 650 difficult to maneuver around my garage, since I also have a 300cc Yamaha in there. However, 1 400cc should be significantly easier to deal with, especially for a first ride. The other issue is, as you stated, they are discontinued. I was lucky to have fpound a 2020 up in Oregon. Flew up there, bought it and rode it home to Texas. Fun but warm ride. Either way, good luck.

Keith Quigley
Bedford, TX
 

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