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I've had my '22 CE 04 for a week and a day and still feel like it's the best Christmas present ever.

What an amazing machine.

One thing puzzles me. I have yet to make a map appear on my screen. Is this even possible?

Closest I've come is the plain screen showing direction I'm moving in and the next cross street.

I have the BMW Motorrad Connected app, iPhone 16 Pro and a Schuberth helmet with SRC-1 comms. Everything can connect, but I'm not sure at the same time or which I need for Maps.

Any help is appreciated. I may be a victim of my own expectations; I see "Maps" and I want full Garmin-type navigation!

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I've had my '22 CE 04 for a week and a day and still feel like it's the best Christmas present ever.

What an amazing machine.

One thing puzzles me. I have yet to make a map appear on my screen. Is this even possible?

Closest I've come is the plain screen showing direction I'm moving in and the next cross street.

I have the BMW Motorrad Connected app, iPhone 16 Pro and a Schuberth helmet with SRC-1 comms. Everything can connect, but I'm not sure at the same time or which I need for Maps.

Any help is appreciated. I may be a victim of my own expectations; I see "Maps" and I want full Garmin-type navigation!

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Same scoot, same phone, same helmet....alas same issue.....help!
 
I have about 1k miles on my ‘04 now. Getting a map up on screen is still a bit of a challenge, but can be done. It’s all about the app, really. First thing is to realise that you have to connect your mobile phone with the display. Then the app has to be left open on screen and you can’t lock your phone (I have iPhone, but I’m guessing it’s the same on Android), it has to be open and awake for the display to continue to communicate with the app. I always plug my phone in if using for mapping, because navigation drains the battery fast.

You can set up a route in the app, or even if you don’t, you can see an actual map showing your location and environs by using the jog-dial thingummy and scrolling to ‘navigation’.
The actual quality of the map is not in the CarPlay league by any stretch of the imagination. In particular, it can be a real struggle to read some of the text displayed, but otherwise the data shown is probably on par.

Section 5 of the Rider’s Manual, page 82 onwards has the requirements and 102-104, the detail.
 
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connect your mobile phone with the display. Then the app has to be left open on screen and you can’t lock your phone
Lo and behold, I just conjured up a map on my TFT screen! (TFT = Thin Film Transistor, just AI'd it).

Your tip to connect the phone with the bike and then open the Motorrad app ALMOST worked. But when I clicked on "Map Display" a box popped up saying, "Connected is not active." I guessed, correctly, that the app or bike wanted an internet connection. I was out of reach from my home network, and I don't have Hot Spot on my phone, so I signed into xfinitywifi, which is pretty much everywhere. That did the trick. Unfortunately, you were also correct about the quality of the map. Pretty bad. Lots of unidentified roads on a big grid. Not very helpful. I'll play with it some more. If I want to use it, I'd add a Hot Spot to my cell plan and be set for internet.

I don't think you can enter new destinations, maybe in the app? The bike records previous destinations, such as my home address, so I could use that to navigate home from unfamiliar territory. I dunno ... BMW knows their motorcycles, but their tech is not exactly Apple-intuitive and easy. This navigation is clunky. So is using their service manual, which only comes on DVD and only works on a PC with Windows. I had to buy a crummy old Dell laptop to use the manual. I'm an Apple guy for life.

Ideally, I'd like to mirror my iPhone screen on the bike screen so I can use Google Maps for navigation. Maybe BMW will have that in the future.

Inferior nav and the uncomfortable park bench seat are my only negatives on the CE 04. After a week and two days of ownership, the bike still feels almost too good to be true. It's like the best Christmas present ever, and every morning when I walk outside, it's still there!
 
Unfortunately, you were also correct about the quality of the map. Pretty bad. Lots of unidentified roads on a big grid. Not very helpful.
I really can't understand why BMW wants to go with their own ecosystem instead of implementing something used the world over like Carplay/AA.
But if the CE04 is anything like my GS, isn't there a steel bar above the display behind the windscreen? I use that to attach a 7" Garmin nav system, but for a city scooter that may be a bit overpowered and something connected to your phone would be more advisable. There are external "mobile" carplay/AA screens for cars, that even communicate wirelessly with the phone, so they only need power. Behind the screen it should be dry enough that not even a IP68 rating or similar might be necessary.

Just thinking....
 
I really can't understand why BMW wants to go with their own ecosystem
BMW-only maps is not a customer-friendly feature. I gave up trying to make it work and put on a RAM base plate and cell phone holder, like I always had. Even that wasn't easy because the CE 04 brake reservoir covers are curved, not flat. Took a bit of fiddling but a slightly longer bolt worked fine; fortunately RAM provides an assortment.
 
Even that wasn't easy because the CE 04 brake reservoir covers are curved, not flat. Took a bit of fiddling but a slightly longer bolt worked fine
RAM mounts are good.
I think there's even a plate mount available from external vendors that sticks with tape to the flat surface between the handlebars. That looks pretty sturdy, too.
 
Some of my experience in this arena ...


RAM BRAKE-RESERVOIR MOUNTS:


Regarding the B-346U brake-reservoir cover mount that RAM sells, in addition to longer screws, it also includes little spacers:


Those spacers are there explicitly for curved covers, such as found on many (all?) Beemers.

(As an aside, in my Burgman 650 days, there was a company called MCL -- for Motorcycle Larry -- that sold complete replacement brake covers for those scooters, with built-in extensions for one or two RAM balls-on-a-thread:

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That was the way to do it, a superb product. I did a lot of playing around with those cover mounts, e.g.:

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Importantly, note that the setup in that pic is a modified RAM part: the end clamps are all RAM, but I drilled them out a bit, in order to put a 15mm bar in there, in place of RAM's half-inch bar. 15mm is a very common diameter in the world of photography accessories, for attaching goodies to tripods and what have you, such as that rotatable clamp I used for some time, to experiment with a GoPro positioning back there.

Alas, Larry only sold those for the Biggest Burgman, he's no longer among the living, and he took his company with him.)


WINDSHIELD-MOUNTED SHELF & RAM BALL:

I have no idea whether this is relevant to the CE-04 thread that we're in now, but on the off-chance that something analogous is available, let me just point out an earlier thread I started: https://www.bmw-scooters.com/thread...windscreen-then-added-ram-ball-to-shelf.3375/

This is a shelf that I got cheap from AliExpress, but specifically for the C 400 scoots (at least prior to the adjustable windscreen that the 2025 model introduced).

It came with a bar mount on one of its two pieces of metal, but I ditched that piece, drilled a hole in the remaining piece, and put a RAM-ball-on-a-bolt in the hole:

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Next, mounting an extension (double socket arm, in RAM-speak), then a phone-mount with vibration dampener, looked like this:

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As I say, just trying to offer some ideas, as this was on a C 400.


PHONE MOUNTS WITH VIBRATION DAMPENERS:

Based on Apple's initial warning from a few years ago, about vibrations possibly damaging a phone's camera-stabilization hardware, lots of motorcycle-oriented phone mount companies started offering vibration dampeners.

The major players that I'm aware of -- as opposed to offerings on AliExpress and suchlike (which I deem "suspect," even if they may be from the same factories as the brands that I respect) -- that offer moto phone mounts with built-in or optional vibration dampeners are:

- Hondo Garage
- Peak Design
- Quad Lock
- Rokform
- SP Connect

I had a Hondo Garage "Perfect Squeeze" in the early days, and they probably make the most robust dirt-riding mount I know of.

Quad Lock is probably the most well known of the bunch.

I believe BMW has now partnered with SP Connect, in terms of some optional accessories to be added to a bike order, for instance. In that vein, Wunderlich has also started selling SP-Connect goodies.

I don't know much about Rokform, but have read a few nice things about them.

I picked Peak Design for my first post-Hondo-Garage mount largely based on a video from Marc Stones:


I've subscribed to his vlogs for a couple of years now (as well as his German-language persona of "Scooteria"). He owned a C 400 for a while, among assorted other scooters and bikes.

The PD locking mechanism is borderline magic, the way it locks in place without my doing anything. (Like the others, detaching the PD case requires squeezing some tabs.) I also liked that case because you can buy a credit-card holder gizmo that magically attaches to it, and I wanted that.


MOTORCYCLE CARPLAY/ANDROID AUTO DEVICES:

In the last year or two, gobs of companies started offering CarPlay/Android Auto devices for motorcycles. Many of these come stock or optionally with cameras and TPMS. They all wirelessly connect with your smart phone, which can then be left in your jacket pocket, tank bag, etc.

I entered this world before the start of this season with an Aoocci C6. I wanted to check out this area, and I also wanted a TPMS for my Meteor. (I did not hook up the cameras, as I didn't want to bother. I always have at least a front-facing dashcam, in a sense, as I have a GoPro recording all the time, anyway.)

The C6 was the cheapest I could find: about $170 with coupon code, and you can get codes for almost all of these on their web sites or as part of YouTube "influencer" videos.

Here's how it looks on the Meteor:

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(By the way, as you can see in that last pic, the TPMS readouts on that, or the dedicated TPMS screen, are a real eye test. Very difficult to read on the move, although my recent cataract surgery may help with that. I almost can't recommend that unit, because of the stupidly small font they used.)

Mind you, I only care where I am or where I'm going perhaps once or twice a year; a fun part of my day trips is wondering where I'll come out, i.e., when I'll recognize some state road and figure out where I am. But I have played with, set on Google Maps, and it works a treat.

If I absolutely -- rarely -- need directions on my C 400, I can mount my vibration-damped iPhone 11 Pro, as shown in those shelf-with-RAM-ball pics above. (I don't need the TPMS function because of my eventually successful quest to get internal TPMS sensors mounted: see https://www.bmw-scooters.com/threads/2025-tpms.3557/post-30463 .)

If you want to go big-time into the world of motorcycle-designed CarPlay/Android Auto devices, the really big players, to my knowledge, are Chigee and Carpuride. User @Rugerbear, for instance, mounted one of the Carpuride devices a few months ago on his C 400: see https://www.bmw-scooters.com/threads/carpuride-installed.3574/ .)

Those companies offer brighter, more sophisticated, more functional moto devices, and -- unlike my cheapo C6 -- some of them have firmware that can be updated. But they are also commensurately more expensive, as one might expect. We're talking in the $500, $600, and up range.

Here's another video from Marc Stones, if you want a look at the hot-off-the-presses Chigee AIO 6 MAX, perhaps the class leading moto device at the moment:


One last note on these, based on some research I've done (just because I sometimes have too much free time): if you expect one of these high-end devices to be compatible with the Wonder Wheel control on your left switchgear, um, lots of luck. It looks to me as if you need BMW's "Nav Prep" installed to make that a reality, and even then it's functionality is probably model-specific.

I've gone down a few rabbit holes trying to find out -- mostly just out of curiosity -- to see if one of the devices would offer some Wonder Wheel control on my C 400. Without Nav Prep, I doubt it, even if having a dealership enable some firmware setting(s). Even with Nav Prep, it could be a problem.

Still, even without such BMW-specific integration, these units work well for maps. As I say, I did some experimentation with my cheap C6 on the Meteor -- which certainly doesn't have a Wonder Wheel-like control, and it was fine: very clear, very quick. If I often found myself in need of a GPS, I would probably buy some CarPlay device, and mount it where I show my phone in those pics way above.

I hope some of this is useful to some reader(s) out there.
 

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Maps work pretty well in the Motorrad app. You got to make sure you download the map of your area in your phone as well. I’m in SoCal so I downloaded the Southern California map. I then set my destination via the name of the business or address and works great, similar to google maps, but not as detailed, but very accurate. It lets me avoid ferries, freeways, etc. and takes you the route you prefer. For sure, not the most intuitive, but works.
 
I still don't get it, though, why they just not implement Android Auto/Carplay into the headunit. Just like about every car built in this decade has it.
But no, they're BMW, they have do do their own thing.
 
Agree with just about all of the sentiments here. If the CE-04 display screen was CarPlay capable, it would be a huge improvement over BMW's native stuff. The screen graphics of Waze, Google Maps, and Apple Maps are all vastly superior to the Motorrad app. I now have the hang of getting the map to appear and programming my destination, but it's needlessly complicated and fussy to manage.
 
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