6 year review

Ceesie76

Active member
I bought my 2016 C650 Sport in March 2018 when it had just 1,960 miles on the odometer (I remember as that is my year of birth!). Since then I have covered approximately 9,000 miles, and in that time:
- had two recalls done, on the front brake lines
- had the mechanical timing chain tensioner replaced under warranty, only months after getting the bike, then replaced that tensioner with yet another new one myself, a couple of months ago
- besides that, had only one issue that turned out to be the Prior Owner's fault, which was he did not attach the '+' lead to the battery all that well and the bike would stall without warning. Easily fixed
- I also had to get a new saddle, as the old one was disintegrating after a couple of years of Southern California sun exposure
- and I had to get a new set of tires last Summer to replace the original set. I opted for the Shinkos that have done well so far, except that they seem a bit slippery in the wet, more than I expected

All in all I have been very satisfied with this bike, using it almost exlusively on the surface streets (i.e., staying off the main highways) of Los Angeles. Until now, I did do the occasional highway run but that was the exception. So, when I moved far away from my place of work last month (my commute used to be around 7 miles and I would often just bicycle there and back, it is now 120 miles each way, which I do once a week), I decided to get me a more capable BMW, and bought a R1200RT from 2008 with under 20K miles. It has almost twice the horsepower but weighs barely more than the 'Sport'. So, yes, it is more effortless on the highway at speed.

However, after my first commute on the RT, I found myself asking myself whether it was really all that much better, more comfortable and pleasant to ride than my old Sport. Then days later, the guy I bought the RT from texted me to ask if I was still satisfied with it, because he regretted having sold it to me. I sold it back to him for the same price, and have now done two commutes on the C650 Sport and I can say that, at least for me, I do like it a lot better on the 120 highway run than the RT. So in the end, it was a good experience and also I think it speaks very well for the 'Sport'. I did install a Kaoko throttle lock on the Sport as that was the one thing I really liked about the RT, that it had a full-fledged electronic cruise control. Which the throttle lock isn't, but it's good enough to provide comfort on the longer run. Two other things I found better on the Sport (again, at least for me) than on the RT:

- no shifting (duh). Although I like shifting, I find I don't like it as much as the effortlessness of the scooter's 'variomatic'
- the Sport is more comfortable as it is easy to shift leg/seating position from time to time (just moving your feet forward or back for example) where on the RT you are pretty much 'locked in position' which after two hours is tiresome to me

I hope to get many more miles out of the Sport and if I don't for some reason, then I would likely just get another used one.
 

Delray

Well-known member
Had a similar experience in 2023. I was planning a summer ride from Florida to New York and came to the conclusion that it would be more enjoyable on a bigger bike than my 2019 C 650 GT. I found a 2007 R 1200 RT with 17,000 miles for $4,500 -- a steal of a deal because the owner was moving to Crete in two days and had to sell or leave it on the curb. Timing is everything.

Funny thing, after riding it, I yearned for the C 650 GT. I'm not a fan of shifting, particularly in urban environments. The R 1200 RT would be great zooming up I-95 to New York -- the bike was so smooth and solid it felt like I was sitting inside an Amtrak car watching the landscape go by. But then I'd have to deal with that big beast for runs to grocery stores, friend's houses, glide by the old high school girl friend's house, etc.

I sold the R 1200 RT after two weeks for a little more than I paid. Instead of riding to New York on the C 650 GT, I flew there and bought a white Burgman 400, then rode that home from Rochester to South Florida. It was solid and sure as the day is long. Great little bike with a big ride (and 73 mpg). For this summer's trip, I'm definitely thinking C 650 GT. That's the porridge that seems not too hot, not too cold ... just right.

2007 R 1200 RT and 2019 C 650 GT Photo in 2022 copy.jpg
 

RollaCosta

Active member
I’d spin a similar yarn about a new Tiger 1200 GT Pro which I found too much to shift in the city, sold back to dealer and stayed with my C650 Sport. Just went back from a 200km trip which included 20km gravel washboard road made by earthmover trucks. Not ideal but doable. The right handguard broke off due to vibration, but they are like 30 bucks on alixpress.
 

mzflorida

Active member
I have to say that I am seriously considering selling my NC750X and going to the C650GT. The more I ride the C400GT the more I enjoy the scooter form factor. I keep going back and forth. I want to do two more long trips before I am 60 (56 now) from SW Florida to northern Ontario, Canada (family and friends up that way) and another out west TBD. I am looking heavily at the 2024 Tracer 9GT+ for those two rides. However, it's ~$20K, I only pay cash for any vehicle I purchase, and it would sit for the most part. The C650GT would meet a lot of my needs, maybe not best suited for touring comparatively, and I would ride it frequently. Plus, they are all sub $10K.
 

wspollack

Active member
I have to say that I am seriously considering selling my NC750X and going to the C650GT. The more I ride the C400GT the more I enjoy the scooter form factor. I keep going back and forth. I want to do two more long trips before I am 60 (56 now) from SW Florida to northern Ontario, Canada (family and friends up that way) and another out west TBD. I am looking heavily at the 2024 Tracer 9GT+ for those two rides. However, it's ~$20K, I only pay cash for any vehicle I purchase, and it would sit for the most part. The C650GT would meet a lot of my needs, maybe not best suited for touring comparatively, and I would ride it frequently. Plus, they are all sub $10K.
I basically agree with your position, but wonder about the choice of the C650GT. Am I correct that production of that stopped seven or eight years ago? If so, I'd be reluctant to do long trips on a bike that old, and perhaps with uncertain maintenance history.

My personal street-bike history:

1997 - 2000: '97 BMW R850R (a standard, naked, etc.)
2000 - 2007: '00 Valkyrie Interstate (huge bagger)
2007 - 2012: '07 Burgman 650 Exec (maxi-scooter)
2012 - 2017: '12 Victory Cross Country Tour (another huge bagger)
2016 - 2022: '08 Burgman 650 Exec (second one, first used bike)
2022 - 2023: '22 C 400 GT (almost maxi-scooter)
2023 - present: '23 Royal Enfield Meteor 350 (standard, naked, etc.)
2023 - present: '23 C 400 GT

I moved around bikes and styles just to keep trying something different, and they all had their pros and cons. (And you may notice that one pattern is the foot position, moving from rearward to forward, as the years go by, the emergency-purchased Meteor being a minor interruption to that.)

I got that second Big Burger because it was sitting largely unused in my riding buddy's garage (as he had mostly moved on to an RT). I asked to borrow it for a non-sportbike track day at Palmer, MA, because that looked like a very twisty track, and I thought that would be a good bike for that. And it was. And I was reminded how much fun big scooters are -- having sold my first one four years prior -- and promptly bought it from him, and put the Victory on the market.

But I was always concerned, having a bike that was eight to 14 years old. If something major went wrong on that, the scoot would become a nice mailbox or something.

So, despite the fun I was having on it, I was relieved when my wife suggested that I buy a C 400 GT.

Well, you certainly know about the failure of that '22. So, sure, any bike, of any age, can fail. There's that.

But I plan to start my long trips again on the '23 C 400 GT. I have a trip to NC in the works for April or May, for instance, and will be doing it on that bike (the Meteor is a smile-inducing back-road bike, but would take too long to go that far, avoiding the superslabs). And I wonder why you apparently feel that the 400 would not suffice for your trips -- that's the main purpose of my writing here.

Keep in mind that I had no problem doing the c. 1,100 miles in the Alps last summer on a C 400 X (https://www.billanddot.com/Ultimate-Alps-Tour/). That's my basis now, that the 400 Beemers are capable and comfortable for the longer hauls.
 

mzflorida

Active member
I basically agree with your position, but wonder about the choice of the C650GT. Am I correct that production of that stopped seven or eight years ago? If so, I'd be reluctant to do long trips on a bike that old, and perhaps with uncertain maintenance history.

My personal street-bike history:

1997 - 2000: '97 BMW R850R (a standard, naked, etc.)
2000 - 2007: '00 Valkyrie Interstate (huge bagger)
2007 - 2012: '07 Burgman 650 Exec (maxi-scooter)
2012 - 2017: '12 Victory Cross Country Tour (another huge bagger)
2016 - 2022: '08 Burgman 650 Exec (second one, first used bike)
2022 - 2023: '22 C 400 GT (almost maxi-scooter)
2023 - present: '23 Royal Enfield Meteor 350 (standard, naked, etc.)
2023 - present: '23 C 400 GT

I moved around bikes and styles just to keep trying something different, and they all had their pros and cons. (And you may notice that one pattern is the foot position, moving from rearward to forward, as the years go by, the emergency-purchased Meteor being a minor interruption to that.)

I got that second Big Burger because it was sitting largely unused in my riding buddy's garage (as he had mostly moved on to an RT). I asked to borrow it for a non-sportbike track day at Palmer, MA, because that looked like a very twisty track, and I thought that would be a good bike for that. And it was. And I was reminded how much fun big scooters are -- having sold my first one four years prior -- and promptly bought it from him, and put the Victory on the market.

But I was always concerned, having a bike that was eight to 14 years old. If something major went wrong on that, the scoot would become a nice mailbox or something.

So, despite the fun I was having on it, I was relieved when my wife suggested that I buy a C 400 GT.

Well, you certainly know about the failure of that '22. So, sure, any bike, of any age, can fail. There's that.

But I plan to start my long trips again on the '23 C 400 GT. I have a trip to NC in the works for April or May, for instance, and will be doing it on that bike (the Meteor is a smile-inducing back-road bike, but would take too long to go that far, avoiding the superslabs). And I wonder why you apparently feel that the 400 would not suffice for your trips -- that's the main purpose of my writing here.

Keep in mind that I had no problem doing the c. 1,100 miles in the Alps last summer on a C 400 X (https://www.billanddot.com/Ultimate-Alps-Tour/). That's my basis now, that the 400 Beemers are capable and comfortable for the longer hauls.
I agree that the C400GT is capable and suitable for some on longer tours. The annual Scooter Cannonball supports that fact as many much smaller and less capable bikes complete it every year...many bikes fail (become bricked actually) every year too. It just would not be the right choice for me for a multi-day outing, maybe for some of the same reasons you are choosing to ride the GT over the Meteor. I am not saying Miami or Orlando are out of scope for an overnighter to visit my daughters. I'm still thinking it through and have reservations about touring on a scooter, for really no good reason. The 650S are only out of production for the last ~three years or so. I still have to ride a 650GT though. That is in the works, and I may be able to take a day off this week and take a run up to Tampa...and also pop the new Hyperpro shocks on my 400. Been crazy busy with visitors, weddings, etc.
 
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